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Post by Chad Manning on Oct 25, 2007 15:24:42 GMT -5
Sol, just to clarify, it sounds like teh zombie thing is off, so re-invite the people who were not so sure and let them know it is just a normal costume party now.
Sorry for all of the confusion and frustration on both sides of this. I should have planned it better. I will know better next time. Hopefully everyone can still come and have a great time!
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Post by Vable on Oct 25, 2007 23:05:34 GMT -5
To those involved in this:
Interesting.
Here I thought it would have been as simple as Chad and I discussing the negative points of the previous Zombie parties, and making adjustments.
I would assume that anyone with common sense would realize there was never plans to 'Destroy costumes' or 'Force goop' on people who were un-interested.
I would further venture to wonder how very elitist it sounds to drop ultimatums like oh, your doing that? then I'm not coming without mentioning specific reasons. When participation was never mandated. Ever. Because person A is a zombie, doesn't mean that person B is going to be negatively impacted.
I'm a little concerned that there is no concern over asking me to cancel 20-30 invites. Not that those invited can't come and have a regular good time, but that I'm supposed to explain the day before that costumes are no longer offered, and the entire dynamic of the PQ thing is removed. Considering that many who were invited did express interest in just those things, as they don't know this group yet. It was a good foot in for new people to mix and meet.
It bothers me that people not responsible for this party are making decisions that affect those who are being responsible about its ongoings. Enough so that its turned into a popularity contest.
This just seems childish to me.
If Chad said to me, hey, we need to make sure none of the goop gets in the house or on people not interested in it... I'd say 'of course' because thats obvious. And being as we've seen these parties before, there isn't a reason why we wouldn't have been able to incorporate this into a most appropriate venue.
However. Now that the masses, who've had no part of planning this aspect of the party, or of inviting people for this aspect are deciding they don't like that aspect.. Then its getting closed down.
No one has asked, hey, so how many people are you expecting for the PQ thing? What do you need to make it work? How can we incorporate it so that everyone has a good time. I know I've tried to sort these things out. But those against it have made assumption upon assumption and built a case with no real data.
I don't really feel like its safe to do any kind of party planning if the day before, mass hysteria is going to overrule. Next time I'm going to suggest that blue jeans are out of fashion, then maybe pac will say 'I don't go to out of fashion parties' then everyone else will jump on board, and we can just cancel the whole thing 'just to be safe'. Never mind that REAL people are going to be responsible and see to it that things go right.
There has been no real reason why this wouldn't have worked. I'm totally burned that no consideration would be given to my efforts. It's okay for me to look like a liar, and my efforts go to naught on a whim. BS.
What am I supposed to say? I guess I should grow thicker skin still and just not care.
Well, no matter my treatment I'll just have to learn from the experience.
I don't feel its appropriate that I should bear the brunt of making explanations for others decisions. So my regards and apologies to those who arrive that haven't been re-informed of the change in status should that have been their primary reason for coming.
Nor do I feel particularly happy with the cause of these resolutions.
Oh right, and I'm not even going to bother trying to figure out a new costume ~laughs.
No matter, the party will be fun. This little burst between a few, and the dropping of one event should affect very few of the regulars. I'll be wanting to see good pictures later Adonna:)
As I won't have time to resolve any outstanding complaints with my reasonings here online, in person (as they should have been) prior to the party, I won't be in attendance. No offense to Host and Hostess. At this point, without having to oversee the PQ bit, my presence beyond the social, shouldn't be missed. I'll make other arrangements for myself.
To Chad:
Sorry for the board drama Chad and I'll see you on HW to take the boyz ToTing.
To All:
Best wishes, and be safe post party,
Tyjer
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Post by Chad Manning on Oct 26, 2007 8:24:48 GMT -5
Actually Ty, I had no idea that you had so many peopel interested in this. From all I have heard, there were only going to be a handful of peopel coming for the PQ thing. I have heard concerns from people both verbally and on the board about the amount of mess involved in the PQ thing (not just from Pac, Sol, and Abby who posted here, but from work and others who do not get on these boards). In fact, Sol has voiced concerns from as far back as Sept 26th on the boards on this very post. To me, the zombie thing was originally just a side thing going on at the party. It was never the main theme. When you said you wanted to film, I was under the impression that you were wanting to peel the zombies off from the main party, take some shots and then get back to the party. When you asked for extra invites, I thought you were inviting more folks to the party, not just for the sole purpose of filming. If we want to do a filming party, it can be arranged, but I still think having 20 -30 people in wet zombie goo mingling with 20 -30 people in normal costumes will have some negative impact. Even having just a handful of zombies mixed with normal folks can have a negative impact. No matter how careful the zombies are, if they are interacting with others (especially with alcohol involved) they will transfer some cake batter. I hate to piss you off, by suggesting this is not the right time for the zombie thing, but regardless of what others think, my concern is for everyone at the party to have fun. Even though it is a disapointment, I would hope that people could still come and have a good time even if the PQ part have been delayed until later. If we lose half the guests because of a single activity, then that activity should probably not happen. Once again, I had no idea that there were an additional 20 -30 people coming just for the PQ thing. Obviously, if there is that much interest, we should definitely plan a night for it. I guess I have learned something here as well. I need to communicate better. Even when I agreed to the zombie thing (before it ever turned into PQ), I thought it would be as simple as getting all gooed up and hanging around outside, drinking, talking, and acting generally like a zombie (kinda like what I did as a pirate). I was even planning on joining in. I figured the small handful of zombies would occasionally go in to get food / drink / or restroom breaks, but would generally stay away from the carpeted areas. When filming was mentioned, I figured we would pull away, film, then return to the party. It became obvious over the last week or so that Ty's idea was far exceeding my idea or expectation. Usually I don't care who you guys invite as everyone is welcome to come, but had I asked Ty, he would have told me (in full gruesome detail) what he had planned. Had I done that, it could have prevented this whole frustration on the board. We could have planned it and made arrangements, set the rules, and come up with a way to make it work. But now a day out from the party (or even a week out) I just don't have the time or energy to try to work this all out at this point (not that I don't want to, but I have not had a free night all week and will not even get home from Kenny's scout trip until almost 7:00pm Saturday). Ty, I'm really sorry how things worked out. I know you were excited about this and worked hard to plan what you considered your part. I should of been more in touch with what you had planned and for that I apologize. I'll call you tonight and we can figure out what to do with your PQ idea. Ty, Even though I know you are frustrated, I would still like to see you there as much as I would everyone else, but I will understand if you miss out (I know you are busy earlier in the day anyway). I still hope that you leave the invite open to the others you invited to come and hang out even without a costume. If you would like me to call the guests you invited and explain the PQ thing I can as it was ultimately my decision. Again, I apologize to everyone for letting this get stirred up. Hopefully we can all move past this at this point and just enjoy the party!  Anyone else need a drink right now?  ;D |
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Post by abby on Oct 26, 2007 9:57:11 GMT -5
geez...so much drama over a party  I just didn't want my kid to get messy, it's a little hard to tell an 8 year old boy "no, you can't play with the messy stuff" when all the adults are. I also didn't anticipate all the mess, nor did I realize that Ty had 20+ people invited for the intent of filming zombie footage. I'm not trying to steer the direction of the party, or turn this into a populatrity contest, I'm just stating that I'm not down for cake batter on my white costume or on my kids hand made costume. Ty, you know I adore you but you are BEING A FUN SUCKER so stop it right now. yeah, you probably should have let us know you had 20-30 zombies coming over cause that kind of changes the party up a lot from >10 zombies. If they come in and say "hey! why can't I run around and gnaw on arms?" point em at me. I'll tell them sorry, this is my fault...I am so important to this little circle of friends that when I said no, you can't do that I am simply not going to have any of it, they all happily aquiesced to my demands. I mean LOOK AT ME, wouldn't you do whatever I said? Sheesh, freaking mindless zombies, get with the program already!" They'll probably either find me to be completely out of my gourd and laugh then get on with the drinking or agree that I'm right and fall at my feet in mindless zombie worship. NOW THAT should be filmed... so in short, bring your butt to the party who else is gonna stand innocently in pics looking like their groping me? |
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Post by Vable on Oct 27, 2007 3:35:33 GMT -5
~Hugs abby~ No worries, just have a good time  |
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Post by 0 on Oct 29, 2007 9:33:13 GMT -5
i feel i should point out that i was the first one to object to the zombie stuff (as i have *already* pointed out), not Patrick. i was also the one who pointed out Ty's myspace bulletin to Patrick which is what stirred him to respond... a bulletin which was posted a month *after* i had submitted my objections to the 'zombie' party (after which no response was made here). this post changed the theme of the party from 'classic dead-man horror' (such as ghosts, mummies, zombies, headless horseman, etc) to a straight zombie party set for shoot PQ footage.
just thought I’d set the record straight for everyone. if anyone still feels 'mad' about it, be sure to take it out on me.
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Post by Vable on Oct 29, 2007 10:29:48 GMT -5
Is a record some kind of new mp3 player? :-P
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Post by Adonna on Oct 29, 2007 14:04:20 GMT -5
no worries Sol, we love you and wish you the best. We missed you at the party, but I hope Michael feels better soon.
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Post by Adonna on Oct 29, 2007 14:25:46 GMT -5
Oh my the way. It didn't help to veto the cake mix, I still had to clean red off the walls anyway form "someone's" idea of a great costume ... :::hint: CHAD::: He was a shark bite victim.
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Post by Chad Manning on Oct 29, 2007 14:44:55 GMT -5
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't remember getting red on anything...
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Post by abby on Oct 29, 2007 14:57:16 GMT -5
rofl...didn't remember...
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Post by Chad Manning on Oct 29, 2007 16:53:27 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D
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;D
I just didn't want my kid to get messy, it's a little hard to tell an 8 year old boy "no, you can't play with the messy stuff" when all the adults are. I also didn't anticipate all the mess, nor did I realize that Ty had 20+ people invited for the intent of filming zombie footage.
